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1 freetoken  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 11:31:22am
If the properties of the Universe vary from place to place then it may be that this is the one place in the Universe where things like us can exist.

Well, maybe. I’d emphasize though that the “one place” that is “this” would be a very, very large region, billions and billions of light years across.

2 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 11:41:50am

Interesting, but until it’s repeated a lot of times by others with the same observations I suspect the results.

3 Bob Levin  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 2:51:25pm

Even though some results might have concluded that there are particles that move faster than the speed of light, that is a fact of little use. The issue is that light is a constant, and to explain this phenomenon, it requires a rethinking of space and time. Einstein showed what that spacetime structure is not.

Physicists are still working to find out what that nature actually is. I’m not sure this possible finding changes things all that much. But, I’m not a physicist, so there may be something deeper going on than the headlines of Einstein is Wrong.

4 John Vreeland  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:42:15pm

re: #3 Bob Levin

If these result are true (and that is a big if,) it will not matter a lick to relativity theory, which will still be perfectly true in almost any place we care to look. An extension might be required.

5 John Vreeland  Sun, Nov 6, 2011 4:59:13pm

Some people are making too much of the anthropic principle, and I will admit to using the idea as a hook myself. But as freetoken points out, it isn’t really important here unless the Universe is much, much larger than we suspect. A constant that changes by one part in 1,000,000 every billion light years is going to need a lot of space for the changes to become significant.

To put this in perspective, the two degree change in global temperature that is though to be so significant amounts to about seven parts in a thousand. It would take seven trillion light years to get a similar change in the fine-structure constant.

6 Randall Gross  Mon, Nov 7, 2011 4:33:20am

Even if the results pan out, it doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion suggested. Light’s speed is only a constant in a vacuum. (Look up Index of refraction) which provides for a lot of possible explanations other than constants aren’t constant.

7 John Vreeland  Mon, Nov 7, 2011 5:59:49am

re: #6 Thanos

This misses the point. Normal causes of variability have already been addressed (at least the ones that are understood). It is c, that is the constant: Einstein’s constant. It is being suggested that c, among other things, may change at different points in the Universe.

Actually it is the fine-structure constant αthat is being questioned here, but the two are inversely related by the charge on an electron (squared) and Planck’s constant.


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